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Dead? It wasn't Martin!
Cos he was...

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I said shut up, noisy bitch...

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I don't want to get into trouble.
I don't want you to either.

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So should I lie, then?

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There was an Afghan family who had
a long-running dispute with him.

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Really boiled over.

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You should start with the guy
that interpreted for them.

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Hiya.

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Oh.

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All I have done
is walk into my house,

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and I've found an illegal immigrant.

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And how many times?

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It's not illegal
for someone seeking asylum

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to cross the channel
however they want to.

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I don't know what to say that will
best allow you to forgive me.

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Just the truth, Debs.

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We did sleep together.

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Sorry.
It's just, I...

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Night, dollface.

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Can I just ask you

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if you ever thought your husband
might have been having an affair?

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What the hell
sort of question's that?

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A few months before he disappeared,
he'd seen him with another woman.

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He said he'd introduced her to him
as "Melinda".

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Cos a row that got out of hand
about infidelity,

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it's just about the oldest motive
for murder there is.

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I don't know
if they're listening to this,

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but don't say anything about Daddy.

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I would like to take my break now,
please,

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so that I can get my story straight.

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All we do is hide away

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All we do is lie and wait

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The right way round

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On the ground...

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I just find it rather hard

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to square Juliet Cooper's
description of their relationship

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with what Prentice told me.
Hm.

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Ditto the bar manager.
Ditto her.

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Husbands and wives are allowed

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to have different political
opinions. No way

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But that diametrically opposed?

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Although we're assuming
that Juliet's who she says she is.

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Yeah, I'm just asking if...

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maybe this was a toxic marriage,
perhaps violent, perhaps coercive,

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that finally imploded?

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Where are we on his girlfriend?

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So, our Melinda, is Melinda Ricci.

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Peachy Ricci? Yeah.
SOFTLY: "Peachy"?

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She had a column in the Mail
a few years back.

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She's like a BTEC
kind of Katie Hopkins,

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working for a cable channel now.

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You think that they met through
this forum that Cooper set up?

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UK United, yes.

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Cooper is in the background of
the viral video about the retweet.

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Do we have an address for her?

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Well, I spoke to an HR guy at BNC,
her current employers.

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They're based in Docklands,
but she dials in her contribution

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from her home about
ten miles west of Cork, apparently.

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Hm.

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Er, OK. Contact regional Garda.

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See if they can get local plod down
to set up a Zoom with her.

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And check if they have anything
on her in their systems, too. Yeah.

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And as much background as you can
find before we speak to her, please.

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Yeah, sure.

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That's mad.
I know.

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So, you mentioned your dad earlier,
Marty.

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Yes, I mentioned my dad earlier.

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I'm guessing he's always been
a great support to you. Mm.

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He has, yes.
So I'm wondering,

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did maybe your dad go and speak
to Mr Cooper about the money?

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You OK, Marty?

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I-I'm fine, thank you for asking.

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Did he go and speak to Gerry
for you?

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No, he never went to see Gerry.

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You seem a bit upset
at these questions.

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Marty?

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Well, he couldn't
go and see Gerry, could he?

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Why not?

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I think we should probably
take a little break.

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Cos he was dead.

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Because Gerry made him be dead.

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Why am I even at that school,
anyway?

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You're supposed to be
a fucking socialist.

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Taylor, not this, not now -
we'll miss your train.

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I loathe that school.

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I loathe everything it stands for,
and you should too.

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Or is that all a lie as well?

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Gerry told me the vaccine
was a plot to control us

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that contained micro-transmitters,
and that we should not take it.

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When did he say this? Whenever
I went to see him to get my money.

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Did he tell you not to take it?
Yes, he told me not to take it.

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Did he suggest that your parents
shouldn't take it, too?

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No, he didn't do that.

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I did that.

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But maybe you told your mum and dad
not to take it

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because of what he said to you?
Yes.

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Did they listen to you?

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My mum and dad were offered
the vaccine at the end of January,

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and they, they refused it.

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On the second of February,
Dad got COVID

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and was admitted to Dover
Royal Hospital week... a week later

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with severe
respiratory difficulties.

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On the 19th of February,

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Dad died.

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All on his Jack Jones.

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Thomas Henry Baines was 76.

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I'm so sorry for your loss.

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We both are, Marty.

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He had a good innings, as they say.

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So... on top of the money...

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..you now had the awful tragedy
of your dad dying.

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Yes, this is correct.

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How did you feel about Gerry
at this point?

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No good crying over spilt milk.

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Were you not angry with him?

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Because I'm wondering...

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I'm wondering if maybe you arranged
to meet him somewhere on the 24th?

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No.

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Not to tell him about your dad?
Not because you were angry?

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No.
Maybe... Maybe you rowed?

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You know, er,
maybe he'd pushed you again,

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and it all got out of control?

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SOFTLY: No. No, no, no, no, no...

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I think he's answered
your questions,

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so unless you've got any evidence
you haven't mentioned,

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I think we bring this to a close.

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Let's RUI him for now and do some
more background on that arrest.

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We'd better head.

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Hey, Mel.
Hey, Joseph. How you doing?

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Good, thanks. You?
Er, yeah, I'm fine.

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How's your man doing?

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Slow but steady.

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Father Ryan being very supportive,
I hear.

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How can I help you, Joseph?

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Had a call from a police officer
in London wanting to speak to you

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about being a possible witness
in a murder investigation.

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Wow. Murder of whom?

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A man called Gerard Cooper.

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Yeah, I-I knew Gerry.

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He-He went missing a few years back.

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Just before you came over here,
they said. Right.

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They asked if you could make
yourself available for a Zoom,

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tomorrow at four.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I-I-I think I could do that.

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So just drop by the station, we'll
take care of everything our end,

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and I'll sit in with you.

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I mean, do... do I need a lawyer?

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Entirely up to you.
See you tomorrow.

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Oh, Murray's just forwarded me
an email from the lettings agency.

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So, the lettings agent
thinks police were called

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to the dispute she told him about.

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OK. So this guy Asif
would remember that too, no?

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Look, these are
absolutely top quality.

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From the same factory
that makes the genuine article.

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And, er, the passport...

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..how much?

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Well, the passport, driver's licence
and the national insurance card

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I can do you for 7K.

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We do also offer finance options,

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if that was something
you were interested in.

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A lot of people go for a five-year
repayment schedule,

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which makes it very affordable.

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We're also happy to accept late-term
payments if that worked better...

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Out the back now. Now!

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Now!

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Hi.
Hi. Asif Syed?

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Yes. DCI Jess James,
and this is DI Sunil Khan.

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Have you got five minutes
for a quick chat?

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Er, yes, maybe. About what, please?

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It's in connection
with a murder investigation.

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We think you might have known
the victim.

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Who was the victim?

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Could we come in?
Yes. Yes, please, of course.

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'It's the fucking Matrix, buddy.

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'They're trying to shut your voice
down cos you're a strong man.

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'So what do you need to do?'
I need to be one step ahead, man.

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'Be ahead or be dead, dude.
Be ahead or be dead.'

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UNDER BREATH: Ahead or be dead.
Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead.

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UNDER BREATH: Ahead or be dead.
Ahead or be dead.

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Ahead or be dead.

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This is him. Name of Gerard Cooper.

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Yes, I... I think I remember him.

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And what do you think
your connection to him was?

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I work as an interpreter.

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And back then,

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I worked with tenants whose rent
was being paid by the council.

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Er... I think he was
one of the landlords.

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Erm... what council was that?
Thamesford.

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OK. And can you remember
specifically

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when you might have encountered
Mr Cooper?

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I would have to check.
OK. Roughly, then?

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I think maybe
it was early on in the pandemic.

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Maybe the first year.

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I have a vague recollection
of some COVID-related issues.

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OK, so it was 2020.
Yes.

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Do you have any recollection
of what he was like?

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Er, I mean...
I must've met dozens of landlords

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in the three or four years
I was in London.

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Because the agency that managed his
portfolio said he was quite tricky.

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Did they?
You don't remember that?

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I remember, erm...

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..he wasn't very good
at maintaining his properties.

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The agency said that.

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Anything else?
Erm...

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He could be... quite aggressive.
With you?

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With the tenants, who obviously
were often very vulnerable people.

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And physically aggressive?
No. I never saw that.

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Because we have an agent
who gave us details of several cases

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where disputes had blown up.

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One in particular,

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which was a family
of asylum seekers from Herat,

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where it had turned violent.

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Which family?
The Dowari family.

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UNDER BREATH: Dowari...

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As I say, I must've dealt
with many dozens of cases.

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Most of them were fractious.

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Except the police
were called to this one.

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It was a dispute
about a chronic damp problem.

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The family had a toddler, a newborn.

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It was making them all sick.

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The police getting involved
wasn't that rare, sadly. OK.

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Quite a distinctive case,
but you've no memory of that at all?

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They all just merge into one. Sorry.
No worries.

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And when was the last time you think
you might've seen Mr Cooper?

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My contract with the council
ended in September 2020,

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so not after that.

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Right.
And, erm...

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Do you mind me asking
what your nationality is, Asif?

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I hope to very soon be British.

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Oh. Well, good for you.

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And welcome.
This can be a fabulous country.

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Yes, it can. And thank you.

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And before that, where are you from?
Afghanistan.

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OK. Well, that must have been tough,

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to see your fellow countrymen
and countrywomen,

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vulnerable people,
being mistreated often by this man.

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Of course.

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Did it make you angry, or...?

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If I got angry every time I saw
a refugee being treated badly...

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..I'd be living in
a permanent state of rage, DI Khan.

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Thanks for your time.

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I think we need more detail
on this Dowari case. Mm-hm.

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Sam...
Who was that?

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Social services.
They wanted some gen on a client.

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Can... Can we talk, please?
Sure.

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Yeah, so, if Hassan moves out after
he comes home from work today,

250
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and if you can minimise
any future contact with him, then...

251
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..yeah, I'm happy to just move on.

252
00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,960
And if I don't agree to that?

253
00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,960
OK, why... why do you immediately
have to turn this into a conflict?

254
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,640
Says the man who's just given me
an ultimatum. No.

255
00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,960
It's not an ultimatum.
No.

256
00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,960
You're not going
to hold a gun to my head

257
00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,960
because I did right by a man
who saved your life

258
00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,960
on at least two occasions.
OK. Asif...

259
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,960
And you know what
really winds me up?

260
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,960
It's that you think you can do this.

261
00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:21,960
Do what?

262
00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,960
Just tell me how it's going to be.

263
00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,960
You don't even consider the idea
of finding another way through.

264
00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,960
No. Is that not exactly
what we're trying to do right now?

265
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,960
What, telling me
what's going to happen?

266
00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:36,960
Not really, Sam.

267
00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,960
I'll play by the same rules.

268
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,960
No.

269
00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,160
Hassan's not going anywhere.

270
00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,960
But... this is my house.

271
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Then call the police.

272
00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,800
I mean, I never really believed him.

273
00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,960
But there was always
just enough ambiguity

274
00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,960
to make me think
we could get through it.

275
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Except now...

276
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..if he could have done that...

277
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..he could do anything.

278
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So?
So...

279
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What do I do?

280
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,960
So, digging into
the Marty Baines' caution

281
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and it gets interesting.

282
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In 2016, he studied a foundation
course in computer programming

283
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at the University of Ramsgate,
but eight months in,

284
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,960
he's asked to leave after he starts
to regularly pick the locks

285
00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,960
of the rooms of his fellow students
in his halls and enter their rooms.

286
00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,960
Right. Now, he's not trying
to steal anything.

287
00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,960
They're just coming back
from the pub at night

288
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960
to find Marty sitting on their beds
in their rooms.

289
00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:19,960
Jesus.
Mm.

290
00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,320
Male or female?
Both.

291
00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,960
Not at all scary.

292
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,960
And how many times did this happen?

293
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,320
Well, the university
weren't really sure.

294
00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,960
Some students thought
that maybe they had forgotten

295
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,960
to lock their rooms

296
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,960
and so treated it more like
Marty wandering in uninvited

297
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,800
and so didn't report it.

298
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,800
But there are three formal cases.

299
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,960
Was there ever any violence?

300
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,960
Not from him, and not from any
of the other students,

301
00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,960
until the last incident.

302
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,960
Which was?

303
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,960
So, one bloke comes back
from the pub, pissed up,

304
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,320
to find Marty in his room
and kind of loses it.

305
00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,960
Calls him all kinds of stuff,

306
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,960
which ends up with Marty
trying to strangle him.

307
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,480
Whoa. What, like, properly strangle?

308
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,960
Yeah. He has to be pulled away
by the guy's mates.

309
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,960
Takes three of them, apparently.
Wow.

310
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:06,960
How come he only got a caution?

311
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,960
So, the student didn't wanna
pursue anything.

312
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,960
He admitted
to the investigating officer

313
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,960
that he'd used "inappropriate
language about disability"

314
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,960
and was scared it was gonna be
brought up in court.

315
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,960
Mm. And do we know
why Marty was doing this?

316
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,640
He said he was just looking
for a friend to talk to.

317
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,960
In terms of any potential link
to violence,

318
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,960
I've just received the evidence list
for the assault on Cooper

319
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,960
in his pub car park.
Oh, yeah? What we got?

320
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,960
Well, we've got Cooper's sweatshirt,
and they've taken DNA off it,

321
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,960
so we've material for comparison.
Nice one, thanks.

322
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,960
So, Melinda Ricci. Tell me stuff.

323
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,960
OK, so, born in 1978

324
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,640
in a small market town in Surrey.

325
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,960
Went to a local Catholic
girls' school, got decent As.

326
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,960
Went to Rochester uni
to study marketing,

327
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,960
then enlisted in the Navy.

328
00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,480
Served four years and left in 2005
following a disciplinary issue

329
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:01,960
involving a fellow officer.

330
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:02,960
A fellow Muslim officer.

331
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,960
She then started her own
green beauty business

332
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,800
which gained the attention
of some red-tops

333
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,960
following an advertising campaign
she herself featured in.

334
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,960
After the 2008 crash,
the business went bankrupt,

335
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,960
and she lost her home
and had to rent.

336
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,960
And it was a bad experience
with an Asian landlord,

337
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,960
prompting this online rant
which gained half-a-million views,

338
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,960
erm, got her an invitation
to write an article for the Mail

339
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,960
which went down so well,
it led to a weekly column.

340
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,000
SUNNY: What sort of column?
Opinions.

341
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,960
Of which, you know, she has a lot.
On?

342
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,960
Er, recurring themes include

343
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,960
immigration, benefit cheats, the EU,

344
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,960
erm... anti-abortion stuff,
arming the police,

345
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,960
all as self-styled "Sister Mel".

346
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,960
Ah. She's not a real nun, right?

347
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,960
She spent six months in a convent
in Wicklow in 2009, actually.

348
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,640
Ah. And the column ran
from when to when?

349
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,960
2015 to 2020,

350
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,960
but she also wrote
for pretty much every red-top

351
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,960
and also started popping up
on breakfast TV guest spots.

352
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,960
And when was that Boris Johnson
retweet, post thing?

353
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,960
October 2016.

354
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,960
SUNNY: Do we know
why she moved to Ireland?

355
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,960
No, just that she went there
in 2021.

356
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,960
OK, thanks, Fran. Right, shall we?
Mm.

357
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,960
Jesus.

358
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,960
What are you doing?
Eating a sandwich.

359
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,960
What are you doing here?
I didn't wanna go back.

360
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,480
You have to go back.

361
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,800
I really don't.
Yes, you do.

362
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,960
If you still hate it
at the end of this year,

363
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,960
then we can talk about moving you,
but right now,

364
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,960
I need you to just grow...
Was it you? Was what me?

365
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,960
Who killed Dad?

366
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,960
What?

367
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:07,960
Was it?

368
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,960
How can you even ask me that?
Well, you haven't said no.

369
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,960
No.

370
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,960
VOICE CRACKING: It wasn't me.

371
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:25,960
You don't seem that sure.

372
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,960
I'm very sure,

373
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,800
I'm just in shock
that you could even think that.

374
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,960
No. A thousand times, no.

375
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,960
No.

376
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,960
Have you told the police
about the row that night?

377
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,960
What row?

378
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,640
Do you think I don't remember?

379
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,000
I remember it all.
Very clearly, Mum.

380
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960
It was just one of our rows.

381
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,960
OK? Nothing more.

382
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,160
I would never have hurt your father,
Tay, never.

383
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,960
But I do want you
to promise me something.

384
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,960
What?

385
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,960
I want you to promise me that
you will never mention that row,

386
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,480
or, in fact, any of the others
to the police.

387
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,480
Why?

388
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,960
Because they will almost certainly
come to all the wrong conclusions,

389
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,960
and it's... it's just not worth it.

390
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,960
Will you promise me that?

391
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,640
There's, erm...

392
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:41,960
There's...

393
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,000
..something I've never told you.

394
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,320
'So, thanks for taking the time
to speak to us.'

395
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,960
No problem at all.

396
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,960
'Can I dive straight in, Melinda,
and ask you how you knew Mr Cooper?'

397
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960
Sure. Erm...

398
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,960
I met him initially
at a political thing he'd started.

399
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,960
This was UK United?
'Yes.'

400
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,480
So, when was that exactly?

401
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,640
Er, that would have been...
late 2015, I guess.

402
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,960
And you hit it off straight away?

403
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,960
Yeah, kind of.

404
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,960
We shared a similar outlook
on the world, sense of humour.

405
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,960
Neither of us were afraid
to call it as we saw it.

406
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,000
'And you became friends,
would you say?'

407
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,960
Yes. Briefly.
"Briefly"?

408
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,960
Yeah, we... ran into each other a
few times over the next few months.

409
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,960
I think I might have had a lunch
with him once.

410
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,960
Right. So it didn't develop
into anything more?

411
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,960
'Like what?'

412
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,960
Like a romantic relationship.
'No.'

413
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,160
Right. Because we spoke to a witness
who suggested it did.

414
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,320
What witness?

415
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,000
An old friend of his
who ran into you both

416
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,640
in a pub in Aldgate in 2020.

417
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,800
Well, that was then.

418
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,960
Sorry, I'm confused.
Are you saying that you did have

419
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,000
a relationship with him,
or you didn't?

420
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,960
Yes... I did.

421
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,960
A very brief one,
just not when you were saying.

422
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,960
My question didn't actually
specify a timeframe,

423
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,960
but that's... that's fine.

424
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,320
So, erm, spell it out
nice and clearly for us.

425
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,960
When did you two get together?

426
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,800
Erm... Summer of 2020,

427
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,960
just as things
were opening up again.

428
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,960
'And when you say "brief"...?'

429
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,960
'Erm, just a few weeks,
two months at the most.'

430
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,960
'And did his wife know about this?'

431
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960
I've no idea.

432
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,480
'But you think you weren't
seeing him in February 2021?' No.

433
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,960
But you were still living
in the UK at this point?

434
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,960
Yes. 'So, when exactly
did you move to Ireland?'

435
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,800
Early March, 2021.

436
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,960
OK.

437
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,800
So, just a couple of weeks
after he disappeared.

438
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,960
I obviously had no idea about that.

439
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960
You didn't know he'd gone missing?
No.

440
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,960
'So, when did you find out?'

441
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,960
A mutual friend told me
months later.

442
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000
'How?'
Er, they messaged me, I think.

443
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,960
Hm. Can you forward that to us?

444
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,960
Er, actually, no. Wait, I... Er...

445
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,960
It might have been a call.

446
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,960
OK, er, well,
think we'll come back to that.

447
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,960
'And what prompted
the move to Ireland?'

448
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,960
Erm... I used to come
on holiday here as a kid.

449
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960
My dad was born here.

450
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960
I was feeling a bit burned out
from London,

451
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,960
and then when I got offered the job
with BNC,

452
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,960
I could do that from anywhere, so...
Change as good as a rest.

453
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,960
'And so when do you think was the
last time you might have seen him?'

454
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Oh, maybe, erm...

455
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,320
October, November, 2020.

456
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,960
'So, this was just as your
relationship was coming to an end?'

457
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,160
Yes.
'And how did it end?'

458
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,960
Oh, just fizzled out, really.

459
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,960
'No rows?' No.
'No fights?'

460
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,640
No. 'Because we do have
a fair amount of evidence

461
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,960
'to suggest he could get violent.'

462
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,960
Not with me.
OK.

463
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,960
Erm... Were you aware of anyone

464
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,640
that you'd come into contact with
through him

465
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,960
who might have wanted
to do him harm?

466
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,960
'No. But, like I said, I didn't
actually know him that well.

467
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,320
'Our lives
weren't that intertwined.'

468
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,960
OK.

469
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,960
And if we needed to know where you
were on the 24th of February, 2021,

470
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,960
would you be able to provide us
with that information?

471
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,000
I could try.

472
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,960
'Any proof will do.'
Sure.

473
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Obviously, you have our email.
'I do.'

474
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,960
OK. Anything else you'd like to add?

475
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Anything else you think
might be relevant?

476
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,960
No.
'OK. Thanks so much for your time.'

477
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,960
You're so welcome.
You have a nice day.

478
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,960
'You too.'

479
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,960
So, he was violent to her, yeah?
100%.

480
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,960
This site.

481
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,960
OK, can everyone please
stop what they are doing

482
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,960
and stay exactly where they are.

483
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960
We're officers of the
Immigration Enforcement Agency,

484
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,960
and we believe some of you
working here today

485
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,960
may be doing so illegally.

486
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,960
So, Martin Baines' phone...
Melinda Ricci emailed,

487
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,480
can't find the diaries
for that year. No way

488
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,960
Just calling it as she sees it.
Sorry, Murray, carry on.

489
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,800
Sorry. Martin Baines' phone records
show multiple calls to a landline

490
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,960
which has the same address
as the Three Crowns pub.

491
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,960
Also multiple texts to a Gerry,

492
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,960
which are very angry
and threatening in nature,

493
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960
but weirdly,
they don't stop after the 24th.

494
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,320
Right. Although you'd do that
if you were covering your tracks.

495
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,640
Fair point.

496
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,640
Listen, we still need
to take a swab from him

497
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,960
for the assault in the car park,
can we get someone down there?

498
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,960
Yeah. I can sort.

499
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960
And where are we
on Cooper's records?

500
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,960
So, we've obviously looked

501
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960
at a fair amount
of his open source stuff.

502
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,960
He used a number of platforms.

503
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,800
Parler, Reddit, obviously Twitter.
X.

504
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,160
X.
And?

505
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,960
Endless fights on X,

506
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960
very aggressive
and hate speech-y from him,

507
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,960
but, perhaps more significantly,
to him.

508
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,960
Any physical threats to him?
Dozens that we've found so far.

509
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,000
And death threats.
Mm-hm.

510
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,960
And the rows were about...?
Everything that you'd expect

511
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,960
from what we're now learning
about him.

512
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,960
Immigration, lockdown,
grooming gangs, vaccines.

513
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,320
It's gammon bingo.
Can't say that.

514
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Emails and texts have just come in,
I'm getting them printed up.

515
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,960
Triangulation, still waiting on.

516
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,960
Man, I would love to have been
a fly on the wall in that house.

517
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,960
Well, the daughter was.

518
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,960
I mean, if this was
some sort of coercive,

519
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,960
toxic marriage that blew up...

520
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,960
she would have witnessed it, right?

521
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960
She'd have certainly seen something.

522
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,960
I wonder if the school
would let us talk to her there?

523
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,960
Why don't we call?

524
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Hey.
Hi.

525
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Just, er...
Just wondered if you got my email.

526
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,960
Er, no. Sorry. Been a bit...

527
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,960
What did it say?

528
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,960
Er, the board want a meeting.
They...

529
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:57,960
They think they have a solution.

530
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,960
What solution?

531
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,000
Well, obviously, you're aware
that funding's on the floor

532
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,320
for the next five years anyway,
so, basically, erm...

533
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,960
..they want to offer you
early retirement.

534
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Asif was a lovely guy.
Couldn't do enough for people.

535
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,960
And I presume that includes
the Dowari family? Absolutely.

536
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,960
In fact, I ran into him a few months
after he stopped working for us,

537
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,960
and he told me he was still
in contact with them,

538
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,960
still helping them, all pro bono.

539
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,960
Did you personally ever see him have
any interaction with Gerard Cooper?

540
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,800
A few times, yeah.
What was he like with him?

541
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,960
Always incredibly polite.

542
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,160
Very quietly spoken,
very diplomatic.

543
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,960
So, he never got wound up by him?
Not to his face, no.

544
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,960
How do you mean, "not to his face"?

545
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,960
I gave him a lift
to another rental one time,

546
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,320
it was on my way back to the office,
and he said back in his country,

547
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,800
in his village,
people like Cooper got dealt with.

548
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,800
What do you think he meant by that?
I don't know.

549
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,960
I just remember there was something
in his eyes when he said it

550
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960
that sent a chill down my spine.

551
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,960
And the Dowaris,
can I speak to them?

552
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,960
If you can find them.

553
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,960
We moved them from Cooper's flat
to another in February 2021,

554
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,960
and then a few weeks later,
they just upped and left one night,

555
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,960
completely dropped out the system.

556
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,960
Specifically when
did they disappear?

557
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,640
February 28th, 2021.

558
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,960
Can I have that last address,
please?

559
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,960
For elimination purposes, I really
think we should swab Asif Syed.

560
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,960
On it.

561
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,960
So, these are text messages
from 2019 and 2020,

562
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,960
and you don't have to read too many
to realise that they were

563
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,160
quite clearly in a relationship
at this point.

564
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,960
"Hey. At work,
and can't stop replaying last night.

565
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,480
"Getting hard
just thinking about you.

566
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,960
"G. Kiss, kiss, kiss."
Yeah, last of the great charmers

567
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,960
That's, er, February 2020.
OK.

568
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960
"Eurostar full.
How about we fly?

569
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,960
"J and T away with her mum
for the weekend,

570
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,640
"shall we play?"

571
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:25,960
That's April 2019.

572
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,960
So, we got emails going between them
from late 2018,

573
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,480
which is when the relationship
seemed to have started.

574
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,960
OK. So she flat-out lied.
Hm. Yeah.

575
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,960
It all seems to go sour,
sort of start of 2021.

576
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,320
My guess is that he knew
not to write down too much.

577
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,960
But I did find these three messages.

578
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,160
These are just from his side,
and these are from February 2021.

579
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,960
"Do not ignore me, Mel,
or you will regret it." Yeah.

580
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,960
"Mel, call me,

581
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,960
"we can still discuss the amount,
I am open to discussion."

582
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,960
And this last one
is from the 15th of February.

583
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,960
"If you make me lose everything
I have ever worked for,

584
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,960
"I swear to God,
I will fuck you up."

585
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,960
OK. So, these are blackmail threats.
From a person we know was violent.

586
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Do you think they could have met?
Who?

587
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,320
Melinda and Juliet?

588
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,960
Wow.
Oh. It's just a thought.

589
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,960
OK, er...

590
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,960
One of us has to go over there,
and it can't be me.

591
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,800
OK.
Sorry.

592
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,960
Er, no, that's fine.
It's just... I... I, erm...

593
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,320
I still have stuff
going on at home, Sunny.

594
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,960
No, you don't have to explain.

595
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,960
I'm sorry. Because I know we...
You know, we both...

596
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,960
shared before, but, erm... it...

597
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,640
To be honest,
it is just so damn complicated,

598
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,960
I wouldn't even know where to begin.

599
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,960
Seriously, no worries at all.

600
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,480
But also, you know,
I'm here if you...

601
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,960
Thank you. Seriously.

602
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960
Thank you.
OK. Right.

603
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,960
Erm... Sorry. Hey, Lee?
Hey, how you doing?

604
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,000
Yeah, all great, thanks.
Did you get my message?

605
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,960
Yeah, really sorry,
I've been mad busy, but, erm...

606
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960
I'll call you.
Yeah, I...

607
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,960
No rush. Just... Yeah.
Yeah. Speak soon, then.

608
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,960
Er... Yeah. Yeah.
Sorry to interrupt.

609
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960
PATIENT: So, what I was saying
is financially...

610
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,960
It'll just be ten seconds.

611
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Alison said she needed to be here
if you spoke to me,

612
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,960
so where... where's Alison?

613
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,960
I didn't wanna get her all the way
down here just for a swab, Marty.

614
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,960
Oh, come on, love,
help the young lady out, huh?

615
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,960
Okey-dokey, pig in a pokey.

616
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,000
I-I... So, just give me a minute.

617
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,960
OK... Here we go.

618
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Hey.
Hi.

619
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Is Hassan not here?
He's not back from work yet.

620
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,960
Look, Asif. I've been thinking
about everything you said, and...

621
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,960
..I'm... I'm sorry.

622
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,000
I really am.

623
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,800
Asif... You cope so well.

624
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,960
You're so, so strong, that...

625
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,960
..I forget
what you've been through.

626
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,960
But, I mean, the truth is I...

627
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,960
I can't even begin to imagine
what it must have been like for you.

628
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,960
And I do completely understand
your anger.

629
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960
And... Listen.

630
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,960
I wanna try and help.

631
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,160
Evening, sir.
Hello.

632
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,480
Is this your home?
Er, it is, yeah.

633
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,800
You're Samuel Collet?
Yes.

634
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,960
Mr Collet, my name is Officer Hughes

635
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,960
from the
Immigration Enforcement Unit.

636
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,960
I have a warrant
to search these premises

637
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,960
under Section 28D
of the Immigration Act 1971,

638
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,000
with regard to information
gained on an earlier raid today.

639
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,960
Are we OK to come in, please?

640
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960
Yeah... Yeah, sure.

641
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:04,960
Enjoy your flight, sir.

642
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,320
Thanks.

643
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,480
Marty? Marty, come on.

644
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,960
Why have you double-locked the door,
Marty?

645
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,800
I just need to see Mum, sweetheart.
Please, let me in.

646
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,960
Marty.

647
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,960
I just need to see Mum's OK.

648
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,960
If you don't let me in,
I'll have to call the police.

649
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,960
OK, sure.

650
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,960
OK, do you wanna come through,
please, Mr Collet?

651
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960
Why... Why is my partner still here?

652
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,960
Ah-ah-ah...
No, I've already explained to you.

653
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,960
It's got nothing to do with him,
it was all me.

654
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,320
This way.

655
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,960
OK, we've had a request from
a Bishop Street station in London

656
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,960
in connection
with another investigation.

657
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,960
They're asking if they could
get a swab from you today.

658
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960
You OK with that?
Yes.

659
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,960
If you'd like to follow me,
then, please.

660
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,960
Yeah, it would just be
a general chat, really,

661
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,960
just about the events leading up
to her dad's disappearance.

662
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Right.

663
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,640
Which, as I say,
for a number of reasons,

664
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,960
we would rather do
without her mum present.

665
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,960
'Is she...?'

666
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,960
I mean,
has Mrs Cooper been arrested?

667
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,640
No. Not yet.

668
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,960
'I'll need to take some advice on
this, can I call you right back?'

669
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,960
Yeah. OK. ASAP, please. Bye.

670
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960
Sorry to disturb, guv.

671
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Juliet Cooper's downstairs,
and she wants to speak to you.

672
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960
Yesterday, my daughter told me

673
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,960
that about a week
before her dad went missing,

674
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,960
she'd come home from school

675
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,160
to find a young man
who'd worked for Gerry in our flat.

676
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,960
He'd obviously broken in somehow.

677
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,960
I was still at work,
Gerry was out at meetings,

678
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,160
meaning Taylor was alone with him.

679
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,960
And did she know him?

680
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,960
Yeah, she'd chatted to him
when he worked downstairs,

681
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,960
but she said he was very agitated
and very angry.

682
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,800
About?
Her dad.

683
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,960
Maybe me a bit.

684
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,000
And he told her
that he wanted to hurt her dad

685
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,960
like he thought Gerry had hurt him.

686
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,960
And how old was Taylor?

687
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,480
Eleven. My God, that must
have been terrifying for her.

688
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,960
It was.
And, so, what happened?

689
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960
Well, she managed to convince him

690
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,960
that hurting her dad
would be a bad idea...

691
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960
..and that
it would really upset her.

692
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,960
He said he didn't want to do that.

693
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,960
So then she made him
a glass of squash.

694
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,640
They chatted a bit more,

695
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,960
and after about 20 minutes,
he just left.

696
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,480
And why... why has she
never told you about this before?

697
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,960
She hadn't wanted
to get him into trouble.

698
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,960
She liked him.
She felt sorry for him, as do I.

699
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,800
Hence my slowness
in telling you this.

700
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,960
I know he went through
a really tough time in the pandemic.

701
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,160
Does she remember his name?

702
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,160
Yes.

703
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,800
It was Marty. Marty Baines.

704
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,960
OFFICER: Here.
Oh, no.

705
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,960
There's no-one
in either of the bedrooms.

706
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,640
Ambulance.

707
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,960
Medical assistance
required urgently, please. Dot?

708
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,960
Dot, can you hear me? Dot?

709
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,960
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